Posts by Lee Marsh

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1985 and baptism...I wish I had read this before today

by enoughisenough in

i am posting a link as to being legally bound to jw rules at time of baptism.

i only did a quick skim, but what i gathered is interesting, and what it says about 1985 may be of use to some hoping to just fade and not be bothered.

in 1985, the questions were changed at baptism for legal purposes so they could have causation to defend themselves should you decide to sue for whatever reason.

Lee Marsh

They don't care about the age of majority. They just want numbers and slaves

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Who’s gonna mow your grass

by solomon in

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xixc6aqrozq.

what most jehovah’s witnesses don’t realize about their version of the new system is who’s gonna mow the grass?.

after the system is destroyed who’s gonna make that nail your pounding with a hammer?

Lee Marsh

No grocery stores. probably no electricity for your lights, stove, fridge, dishwasher, and washing machine and dryer. No microwaves or cell phones. No way to make roads or cars.

I used to mention that to my JW friends when they were busy picking out their new mansions. They didn't want to listen to those things.

Few knew how to make bread or preserves. Few knew how to grow vegetables.

And what about those appliances they were so used to. Who was going to make them? Who knew how to grow grain and thresh it and turn it into flour?

Who knew how to grow cotton or shear sheep and the process to make wool and turn the cotton or wool onto something that would make material? Who knew how to make clothes? By hand! No sewing machine or spindles or looms unless you made them yourself.

And no internet to learn how to do any of those things

As a Witness I made sure I knew a lot of those things. I was going to be ready.

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2022-08-09-Announcement!

by Atlantis in

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2022-08-09-announcement.. click image to enlarge.. .

https://postimg.cc/th27pzyh.

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Lee Marsh

Thank you

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Revealed: ‘Hidden epidemic’ of abusive cults in UK, with 2,000 groups operating freely

by Lee Marsh in

revealed: ‘hidden epidemic’ of abusive cults in uk, with 2,000 groups operating freely.

thousands have suffered sexual abuse, isolation from friends and family and modern slavery at the hands of uk cults.

independent.

Lee Marsh

I suspect the editors and legal dept. nixed saying who the groups were

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Was you or your family ever a local needs talk subject?

by Foolednomore in

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friends

our family was always a topic on a local needs talk.

but it was funny when the brothers needed money they would come with their hands out.

this is when we lived in the states.

Lee Marsh

My mother’s body was very good. And she loved cleavage and dresses that showed legs.

Pics?

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Think Marilyn Monroe

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Revealed: ‘Hidden epidemic’ of abusive cults in UK, with 2,000 groups operating freely

by Lee Marsh in

revealed: ‘hidden epidemic’ of abusive cults in uk, with 2,000 groups operating freely.

thousands have suffered sexual abuse, isolation from friends and family and modern slavery at the hands of uk cults.

independent.

Lee Marsh

Revealed: ‘Hidden epidemic’ of abusive cults in UK, with 2,000 groups operating freely

Thousands have suffered sexual abuse, isolation from friends and family and modern slavery at the hands of UK cults

INDEPENDENT

Holly Bancroft

Monday 18 July 2022

Thousands of British adults and children are being deceived into joining UK cult groups, new research has found, with experts calling the phenomenon a “hidden epidemic” that the government has failed to address.

An estimated 2,000 cult groups are operating across the country, but ministers have not acted to stop them because of fears that they cannot legally distinguish between religion and semi-criminal cults, a charity leader said.

A survey of 105 victims of 36 different cult groups, produced by the charity The Family Survival Trust (FST), has found that thousands of people have suffered sexual abuse, isolation from friends and family, financial exploitation and modern slavery at the hands of UK cults.

Seventeen per cent of respondents to the survey reported having been raped in the group they were part of and 37 per cent experienced other undesired sexual contact.

Some 62 per cent of people polled said they worked long hours for the cult for little or no payment, while 47 per cent said that their groups violated employment laws.

Of the 105 people surveyed by the FST, half were born or raised in high-control groups, while the remainder were recruited as adults.

The 36 cult groups ranged from those based on religion and politics, to those pertaining to wellness and personal growth. The majority of respondents, 91 per cent, said they were part of religious or spiritual groups, with 14 per cent part of personal growth groups and 11 per cent part of political groups.

Membership of the cults ranged from three people to large groups of international members totalling millions.

The survey suggested that different cults took advantage of their victims in different ways, but a common theme was isolation from the members’ loved ones.

Of the 99 people who responded to the question about isolation, 56 per cent said they had been isolated from their parents, 68 per cent from other family members and 71 per cent from their friends.

Out of 94 respondents, 55 per cent said that they had to justify the time not spent on the group to their leaders. Thirty-five per cent said they were expected to submit time sheets.

One person said: “We were told that all time not spent on cult activity was us ‘stealing’ time from the cause and that we would be punished for it.”

Another said: “We had to report how many hours we’d been preaching. I was a full-time pioneer, so had to report 100 hours a month minimum preaching; 1,200 hours a year with no allowance for holidays.”

The majority of respondents said their cult leaders controlled what they could look at and what they could wear.

“We were not allowed to use the internet for anything apart from our jobs, with the exception of viewing their own website and online videos,” one respondent said.

Sexual abuse was also commonly reported among ex-members. Of 71 respondents, 21 per cent said they had had sexual contact with their group leaders.

One victim claimed: “When I told them I had been raped, my family kicked me out and cut off all contact.”

Another said: “The leader had many relationships with women in the group. He said it was our duty to please him. He made us do sexual acts that I didn’t consent to because I couldn’t say no.”

Sixty-six per cent said that they had experienced group-directed celibacy.

More than half of 86 respondents said they had witnessed the physical punishment of children within their group, with 31 per cent experiencing assault or violence within the group.

Nine per cent of 91 people surveyed said they had witnessed human trafficking.

Responding to the report, former MP and chair of the FST Tom Sackville said: “From the moment I became aware of the activities of cults I realised that government, led by officials in the Home Office, had been briefing ministers that this was not a problem and there was anyway nothing that could be done to help victims.

“This was based on the spurious notion that it was not possible to distinguish in law a religion from a semi-criminal cult. Moreover, coercive control is now very adequately described as a crime in recent legislation, but limited to when it occurs in the context of domestic abuse.”

Dr Alexandra Stein, a trustee of the FST, said: “There is a hidden epidemic of cultic abuse in the UK. The trust’s research highlights merely the tip of the iceberg of this abuse, thanks to the bravery of survivors willing and able to speak up.”

A spokesperson for the Home Office said: “Coercive control is an abhorrent crime, so to support the criminal justice system in making arrests and pursuing convictions we have consulted on the guidance that will be published later this year when the extended offence comes into force.

“We are committed to ensuring all vulnerable people receive the support they need, including those abused in cults, and will keep all legislation under review.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/uk-cult-groups-sexual-abuse-b2121100.html

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Was you or your family ever a local needs talk subject?

by Foolednomore in

jw
friends

our family was always a topic on a local needs talk.

but it was funny when the brothers needed money they would come with their hands out.

this is when we lived in the states.

Lee Marsh

My mother’s body was very good. And she loved cleavage and dresses that showed legs. She would tame it down for a while but get back to her way of dressing before too long.

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Was you or your family ever a local needs talk subject?

by Foolednomore in

jw
friends

our family was always a topic on a local needs talk.

but it was funny when the brothers needed money they would come with their hands out.

this is when we lived in the states.

Lee Marsh

ALL THE TIME. 2 uncles DFed (1 of them more than once), mother for how immodestly she dressed, 2 brothers always in trouble with kids at school; fighting and the police at our door, oddly they never took the book study out of our place, me DFed, mother reproved, underage drinking at our wedding, most likely my sister's behavior too, .... the list goes on and on and on.

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